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[21:02] +* ulm here +<@robbat2> ulm, robbat2, soap, prometheanfire, dilfridge +<@robbat2> ulm, robbat2, soap, prometheanfire, dilfridge : reping #1 [21:05] +* soap here +<@robbat2> ok, we have a quorum, but i'll really like more people +<@ulm> I've texted dilfridge [21:06] +<@robbat2> ok, without everybody present, I don't want to discuss the + date/time of meetings [21:11] +<@robbat2> we said every 2 months during the AGM +<@robbat2> leave it at that for now [21:12] +<@ulm> robbat2: maybe you could state the time slots that are possible for + you? +<@ulm> for the council, Sunday always worked fine [21:13] +<@robbat2> the ideal timeslot for me would be Sundays 17:00-20:00 UTC +<@robbat2> (finished by 20:00 UTC) +<@robbat2> today only happened to work because it's a public holiday in Canada + [21:14] +<@ulm> let's follow up to this after the meeting? +<@robbat2> yes +<@robbat2> 3. Pros and cons of a 501(c)(3) vs a 501(c)(6) organisation +<@robbat2> this was previously discussed in + https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:FoundationFutureState +<@ulm> under "Possible umbrellas"? [21:15] +<@robbat2> and previous boards preferred the 501c3 [21:16] +<@robbat2> but I realize since previous boards were US-centric, the non-USians + including myself didn't have a complete grasp of the differences +<@ulm> yes, 501c3 looks like the natural choice [21:17] +<@soap> agreeed +<@ulm> but I'd like to have an idea of the restrictions this would impose on + us +<@robbat2> record keeping: 501c3 have reporting requirements on funding + sources: both to the IRS, and to the public [21:18] +<@ulm> for all donations, or only above a certain threshold? [21:19] +<@robbat2> IRS: everybody; public: threshold [21:20] +<@ulm> k +<@robbat2> other restrictions: [21:21] +<@robbat2> political involvement: 501c3 cannot support specific parties, + canadidates, campaigns [21:22] +<@ulm> this doesn't apply to us? +<@robbat2> it does sort of +<@robbat2> using the EU Cyber Resilience Act as an example: we have to be + careful about how we handle it [21:23] +<@robbat2> we can say the act itself is a problem, and lobby for changes +<@robbat2> but we cannot support a specific parties or politician's + actions/words about it +<@ulm> k, that's similar to what a non-profit in Germany would be allowed to + do [21:24] +<@robbat2> can't say: "Gentoo, the Pirate Party and Rick Falkvinge say the CRA + is flawed" +<@robbat2> can say: "Gentoo agreed with the Pirate Party & Rick Falkvinge's + saying the CRA is flawed" [21:25] +<@robbat2> *agree with +<@ulm> very subtle :) [21:26] +<@ulm> but doesn't look like a fundamental obstacle +<@robbat2> on the funding side, there's also a nuance, that won't matter if + we're in an umbrella, but i'll cover it anyway +<@robbat2> the IRS has the "public support test", for public 501c3; that + requires funding come from a broad set of donors +<@robbat2> on a rolling 6 year basis, 33% of total revenues must come from + donors who EACH contribute strictly less than 2% [21:28] +<@ulm> do you have a number on how we do there at present? [21:29] +<@robbat2> back in 2004: FreeBSD nearly failed that requirement: + https://news.slashdot.org/story/04/12/28/0044211/freebsd-foundation-passes-04-small-donation-needs?sdsrc=prevbtmprev +<@robbat2> Gentoo would have passed in *most* years [21:30] +<@robbat2> there are I think 3-4 years, non-consquetive where we had a large + donor that risked this +<+ajak> does that apply to members of a 501c3 umbrella individually or the + umbrella in the aggregate? [21:31] +<@robbat2> i have a commented out piece of code somewhere in the financial + statements that would show if we passed it +<@robbat2> for an umbrella, it's the whole umbrella in aggregate +<@robbat2> which makes it much easier overall +<@robbat2> other limitations: in both the 501c cases, there are some + restrictions on how people are paid - this has never been a problem + for Gentoo, because we had our own non-renumeration clauses with + those in mind, since the inception [21:35] +<@robbat2> those are pretty much tl;dr: don't improperly take money from a + non-profit [21:36] +<@robbat2> ulm, soap: does that answer most of your questions about 501c 3 / + 6? [21:38] +<@soap> yes +<@ulm> yes, no more questions for now +<@robbat2> overall status wise: [21:39] +<@robbat2> SFC: gave us a soft no, they don't take linux distros really +<@robbat2> SPI: never responded to mgorny's questions after a few prods +<@soap> ok, but we could've just tried pining SPI again? +<@robbat2> they didn't respond last time, but it's been a year [21:40] +<@robbat2> and they had some internal changes of board [21:41] +<@ulm> from the previous e-mail exchange with them I gathered that they don't + have any paid staff doing accounting? or at least they didn't in 2017 +<@robbat2> OSC: antarus dropped the ball on sending our questions to them, we + could re-open it likely +<@ulm> OSC is 501c6 though [21:42] +<@robbat2> the collective stuff has both 501c3 and 501c6 choices +<@ulm> yeah, and I find it somewhat confusing +<@ulm> OC is the platform, and there are OCF (501c3), OSC (501c6) plus several + other fiscal hosts below? [21:43] +<@robbat2> something like that +<@ulm> and we could also start our own directly under OC? [21:44] +<@ulm> + https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:FoundationFutureState#Starting_a_new_collective + seems to indicate that +<@robbat2> SPI: i think they have paid somebody to help w/ the bookkeeping; + but they *do* have an independent auditor for their financial + statements +<@ulm> my preference would be to try reiterating with SPI first [21:45] +<@ulm> then maybe check out options with OC [21:46] +<@soap> second that +<@ulm> SFC seems to be out of the question +<@dilfridge> here +<@ulm> welcome :) +<@dilfridge> reading backlog +<@robbat2> SPI ran at a significant loss last year: + https://www.spi-inc.org/treasurer/reports/202212/#index2h3 + [21:47] +<@robbat2> expenses of 563k to income of 108k +<@soap> wow +<@robbat2> they have a 5M warchest, so that's probably okay, but not great + overall +<@robbat2> sorry, 3M, their formatting is a bit different than mine [21:48] +<@dilfridge> ehm, now how did they manage that? :| [21:49] +<@robbat2> i haven't dug into the details, but covid hurt a lot of orgs due to + upfront costs of conferences +<@ulm> Equity:Net-Assets seems to be the biggest loss +<@dilfridge> is that depreciation? [21:50] +<@robbat2> i know the Ceph Foundation (under Linux Foundation) nearly went + functionaly bankrupt +<@dilfridge> yeah, I mean, I kinda see that the covid years cannot be counted + normal +<@ulm> have we contacted linux foundation, BTW? [21:51] +<@ulm> or are they not a good fit for us? +<@dilfridge> they are exclusivley c6 [21:52] +<@ulm> yes +<@robbat2> yes, we did +<@dilfridge> also, I dont really feel well with some org that claims "we're + actually the biggest linux employer worldwide" +<@robbat2> i'll try dig out those mails as well, but they linked us to the + agreement docs, and nobody liked it +<@robbat2> hmm, I see that link is dead +<@robbat2> i'll try find it +<@ulm> + https://www.lfnetworking.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2020/06/LF-Networking-Participation-Agreement-rev.-2020-06-01.pdf + is a 404 +<@robbat2> + https://web.archive.org/web/20210809181218/https://www.lfnetworking.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/55/2020/06/LF-Networking-Participation-Agreement-rev.-2020-06-01.pdf + [21:53] +<@robbat2> (i have to go in 5 mins, at 20:00 UTC) [21:54] +<@robbat2> (briefly at least) +<@ulm> ok, that pdf is too much to read during the meeting [21:55] +<@dilfridge> I'll read through the spi mails and talk them over with mgorny +<@robbat2> in terms of time commitment, I feel starting our own 501c is + nothing ANY of us want to take on +<@robbat2> that leaves us with SPI || OpenCollective [21:56] +<@dilfridge> agreed +<@ulm> yes +<@robbat2> OC is the shiny new choice, but I don't know about track record +<@robbat2> SPI is *old* +<@robbat2> which is good +<@dilfridge> beard like debian :D +* ulm just wanted to say that :) +<@robbat2> fastforwarding since I have to go in a moment: [21:57] +<@robbat2> i'm going to resend the notification emails of people being + removed, i was surprised to get zero responses +<@robbat2> no further response in 2 weeks, -> boot +<@ulm> agreed +<@robbat2> I think prometheanfire did file the annual report, but I want + explicit confirmation again +<@robbat2> the taxes are done +<@robbat2> i need to make sure I put the tax pdfs into the repo [21:58] +<@dilfridge> excellent +<@dilfridge> I think I may still need access somewhere there? or maybe I have + and dont know it yet :) +<@robbat2> ssh git@git.gentoo.org |grep foundation +<@ulm> robbat2: should we end the meeting then, or can we continue with bugs + and membership applications without you? +<@robbat2> you have quorum without me [21:59] +<@robbat2> so continue +<@dilfridge> RW everywhere \o/ +<@robbat2> if you need my input on bugs, you can ping +<@robbat2> i'll be back in 15-20 +<@ulm> k +<@ulm> who wants to take over the chair? +<@dilfridge> (you are seriously asking? :o) [22:00] +<@ulm> ok, I do :) +<@ulm> 5. New membership applications +<@ulm> we have one application from arsen (which we missed in the AGM) [22:01] +<@ulm> mail from 2023-01-22 with subject "Developer Foundation membership", + message-id <86mt6ajkcp.fsf@gentoo.org> +<+Arsen> :-) +<@dilfridge> ++ +<@ulm> motion: accept Arsen's application +* dilfridge yes +*** [Arfrever] (~Arfrever@apache/committer/Arfrever) has joined channel + #gentoo-trustees +* ulm yes +<@ulm> soap: ^^ [22:02] +* soap yes +<@dilfridge> swiss trains run on time! +* soap ducks +<@ulm> accepted with 3 yes, 0 no, 0 abstentions, 2 absent +<@ulm> I'm not aware of any other application [22:03] +<@ulm> 6. Open bugs with trustees involvement +<@ulm> 55 open bugs, so we cannot go though all of them today [22:04] +<@dilfridge> maybe until next time we can tag some of them as "action item" or + similar +<@ulm> I had sent a list with 7 bugs [22:05] +<@dilfridge> then we can have an agenda thing "open action items on bz" +<@ulm> yeah, good idea +<@ulm> bug 369185 +<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/369185 "Official "g" logo's licensing + under CC-BY-SA-4.0 should be mentioned at Gentoo Name and Logo + Usage Guidelines"; Websites, Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees +<@dilfridge> I like the FAQ solution [22:06] +<@ulm> maybe not ready for vote just now, but can you read my last entry and + comment on the bug please? +<@ulm> then we can vote there +<@dilfridge> done [22:07] +<@ulm> the next two are similar +<@ulm> bug 371541 +<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371541 "Offer vector graphic of + "gentoo linux TM" text"; Websites, Graphics; IN_P; sping:trustees +<@ulm> bug 371543 +<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/371543 "Offer vector graphic of + newage/modern "gentoo" text"; Websites, Graphics; CONF; + sping:trustees +<@ulm> I'd suggest to reassign to the artwork project [22:08] +<@dilfridge> yes +<@ulm> not sure what trustees should do there +* dilfridge doesnt dare to ask where it'll end up then +<@ulm> soap: ok with this? +<@soap> yes +<@dilfridge> ... +<@ulm> bug 613950 [22:09] +<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/613950 "Change of Mailing Address: + tracker bug"; Gentoo Foundation, Filings; CONF; robbat2:trustees +<@ulm> I fear we need robbat2 for this one +<@dilfridge> well it's a tracker, so nothing directly to be done [22:10] +<@ulm> yeah, moving on +<@ulm> bug 634406 +<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/634406 "larrythecow.org + potentially(?) profiting off of Gentoo mascot's name."; Gentoo + Foundation, Proposals; IN_P; R030t1:trustees +<@prometheanfire> sorry, work was calling :| +<@ulm> I think this one can be closed, looks like domain parking now [22:11] +<@ulm> this is the page from 2017: + https://web.archive.org/web/20171014171418/http://larrythecow.org/ + [22:12] +<@ulm> obviously they've dropped our logo +<@dilfridge> the text is still the same, the graphics different +<@ulm> yeah, let's close the bug [22:13] +<@ulm> bug 693288 +<willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/693288 "sys-kernel/*-sources: + non-redistributable files"; Gentoo Linux, Current packages; CONF; + ulm:trustees +<@dilfridge> that feels a bit like an OPP [22:14] +<@ulm> this was filed by me, but I think it's not really actionable +<@ulm> reassign to kernel, or to licenses? +<@dilfridge> licenses +<@ulm> basically it's an upstream issue and there's nothing we can do [22:15] +<@ulm> certainly we won't stop mirroring kernel sources +<@ulm> any objections against reassigning to licenses@ [22:16] +<@soap> nope +<@ulm> last one, bug 796947 +<willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/796947 "[Motion] Update IRC information in + Privacy Policy"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; ulm:trustees +<@ulm> two suggestions in comment #3 [22:17] +<@dilfridge> I hate it but b is better [22:18] +<@ulm> I'd prefer a) +<@soap> yup, b is better +<@ulm> ok, let's take a vote then +<@ulm> option a) or b) from https://bugs.gentoo.org/796947#c3 [22:19] +* dilfridge votes b) +* ulm votes a) +* soap votes b) +<@dilfridge> ... and robin says in the bug he prefers b +<@ulm> yes he did [22:20] +<@ulm> prometheanfire: ^^ +<+NeddySeagoon> The 'b's have it +<@prometheanfire> b, for what it's worth [22:21] +<@ulm> ok, that's 1 for a), 3 for b) +<@ulm> 1 absent [22:22] +<@ulm> I'm going to update the page then +<@ulm> anything else from the list at + https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&bug_status=VERIFIED&email2=trustees&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype2=substring&known_name=TrusteesOpenBugs&list_id=6961782&order=Last%20Changed&query_based_on=TrusteesOpenBugs&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- + ? [22:23] +<@dilfridge> that looks too much like work :/ +<@ulm> 7. Foundation activity tracker [22:24] +<@ulm> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Activity_Tracker +<@dilfridge> Secretary/Treasurer Annual Report - New Mexico [22:25] +<@dilfridge> due 15-Nov-2023 +<@ulm> yes, this one is for robbat2 +<@dilfridge> everything else looks far in the future +<@ulm> Secretary/President Prune non-voting members +<@ulm> we have discussed this already [22:26] +<@ulm> Secretary/President Send email to people listed Consultants are + still valid (one month response time) 18-Dec-2016 17-Dec-2017 + (estimated) +<@ulm> not sure about this one, but looks like it's optional [22:27] +<@ulm> 8. AOB / open floor +<+NeddySeagoon> ulm: They get an ad on our webpage somewhere. +<+NeddySeagoon> Action on Sec to update the members list. [22:28] +<@ulm> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Consultants I think +<+NeddySeagoon> Add Arsen, so he can vote :) +<@ulm> I have one item for AOB +<@ulm> can we move https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Gentoo_History to + the main wiki name space? [22:29] +<@dilfridge> yes please +<@ulm> so non-trustees (including NeddySeagoon) can edit it +<+NeddySeagoon> Heh :) [22:30] +<@ulm> prometheanfire: soap: any objections? +<@soap> no +<@ulm> anything else? [22:31] +<@soap> not from my side +<@dilfridge> not here +<@ulm> let's wait until 20:33 +<@ulm> meeting closed [22:33] +<@ulm> thanks everyone! +<@dilfridge> thank you and sorry for being late +<@soap> thanks diff --git a/2024/20240831.log.txt b/2024/20240831.log.txt new file mode 100644 index 0000000..55dcd83 --- /dev/null +++ b/2024/20240831.log.txt @@ -0,0 +1,355 @@ +[00:00:00] - {Tageswechsel: Samstag, 31. August 2024} +[02:29:29] <robbat2> FYI: I have finalized the financial statement for FY2024: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Gentoo_Foundation_Finances_FY2024 +[02:29:35] <robbat2> reviews greatly appreciated +[10:19:39] <robbat2> my letters as president & treasurer are also ready for review ahead of the meeting: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/User:Robbat2/FY2024_Gentoo_Foundation_Letters +[20:23:00] -*- robbat2 sets the virtual boardroom table +[20:47:42] -*- NeddySeagoon changes the water jug for neat vodka 😀 +[21:00:51] -*- robbat2 bangs the gavel +[21:01:25] <robbat2> roll-call: prometheanfire, ulm, soap, dilfridge, robbat2 +[21:01:39] <robbat2> welcome to the Gentoo Foundation AGM for 2024 +[21:01:43] <dilfridge> hallelujah +[21:01:55] -*- dilfridge here +[21:01:57] -*- ulm here +[21:02:25] <ulm> how many members do we have? +[21:02:38] <robbat2> i will wait until 19:05 UTC before marking the remaining trustees absent +[21:03:45] <robbat2> ulm: 56 members of the foundation as of the formal member list +[21:03:59] <ulm> quorum is 19 members then +[21:05:31] <ulm> but it was never met in the foundation's history IIUC +[21:05:35] <robbat2> per section 5.8 of the bylaws, we do have a quorum of trustees present. +[21:05:56] <robbat2> but I agree we have never had a full quorum of members +[21:06:19] <ulm> there's bug 676322 :) +[21:06:19] <willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/676322 "Update the member quorum number to 1/10th of members; the default in NM statute: https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/443c7d847564b0c4391b434db05d1f34"; Gentoo Foundation, Proposals; CONF; antarus:trustees +[21:06:49] <ulm> but wouldn't have helped today either I fear :( +[21:06:56] <robbat2> prometheanfire, soap: reping +[21:07:47] <robbat2> let's move on regardless +[21:08:01] <robbat2> who is logging, and who is taking minutes? +[21:08:08] -*- dilfridge is logging +[21:08:09] <robbat2> minutes/motions +[21:08:16] <ulm> I am logging too +[21:08:40] <robbat2> i guess i'll do the motion updates by default +[21:08:49] <robbat2> old business first +[21:09:12] <robbat2> As the president & treasurer, I offer up the annual letters: User:Robbat2/FY2024_Gentoo_Foundation_Letters +[21:09:21] <prometheanfire> robbat2: pong +[21:09:37] <robbat2> hi prometheanfire +[21:09:51] <robbat2> have the attending trustees had a chance to read the letters? +[21:09:56] <dilfridge> yes +[21:09:56] <ulm> yep +[21:10:04] <prometheanfire> yep +[21:10:18] <dilfridge> it seemed not the right moment to me to go sponsor-hunting +[21:10:31] <robbat2> do you have any questions about the president's letter first? +[21:11:03] <ulm> "The Gentoo Foundation successfully joined the Software in the Public Interest" +[21:11:03] <dilfridge> well sleepy j... never mind +[21:11:10] <ulm> is this technically correct? +[21:11:22] <ulm> the Gentoo project joined SPI IIUC +[21:11:23] <robbat2> yes, we were accepted as a project in the SPI +[21:11:40] <prometheanfire> accepted, but not fully transitioned, ya +[21:11:49] <dilfridge> became an associated project, yes +[21:11:54] <robbat2> or is your question the Foundation vs Project? +[21:12:07] <ulm> yes, Foundation vs Project +[21:12:14] <dilfridge> not the foundation, but Gentoo Linux as such +[21:12:41] <dilfridge> https://www.spi-inc.org/projects/gentoo/ +[21:12:55] <ulm> the point is that Gentoo will remain an associated project even after the foundation's dissolution +[21:13:01] <dilfridge> exactly +[21:13:06] <robbat2> if the SPI were to ask for for Gentoo's signatory on joining, that is presently represented by the Foundation +[21:13:09] <robbat2> as a legal entity +[21:13:27] <robbat2> as the Foundation owns the Gentoo Linux assets right now +[21:13:45] <dilfridge> (this debate is pointless but) then I dont understand how a project without a foundation could even join +[21:14:18] <robbat2> in that case, an individual represents another project: as a natural person, rather than a corporate person +[21:14:31] <ulm> could we update the wording? "Gentoo successfully joined ..." +[21:14:49] <robbat2> sure, and leave that slightly ambigious +[21:15:17] <ulm> or "Gentoo Linux" or "The Gentoo project", just not say "Foundation" there +[21:16:18] <robbat2> refresh the letter and confirm? +[21:16:20] -*- dilfridge wonders about the Second Foundation +[21:16:39] <ulm> they hide on Trantor +[21:16:58] <dilfridge> yes good +[21:17:01] <dilfridge> very good +[21:17:31] <ulm> yes, better +[21:17:36] <robbat2> any other questions? if not from trustees, also for any other attendees? +[21:18:59] <dilfridge> so right now if I read this correctly we have roughly 10% more expenses than income +[21:19:16] <dilfridge> which is harmless given our cash reserves would even with that last for ~10 years +[21:19:27] <robbat2> i'll cover that more in the treasurer letter +[21:19:30] <dilfridge> ok +[21:19:50] <robbat2> motion to accept the president's letter +[21:20:05] <prometheanfire> seconded +[21:20:08] -*- dilfridge yes +[21:20:08] <robbat2> vote by stating: aye/nay/abstain +[21:20:12] <prometheanfire> aye +[21:20:22] <robbat2> abstain (I wrote it!) +[21:20:23] <ulm> yes +[21:20:47] <robbat2> motion passes: 3 aye; 0 nay; 1 abstain +[21:21:03] <robbat2> ok, the treasurer's letter now +[21:21:34] <robbat2> dilfridge: you are correct; but also note our dependency on depreciation +[21:22:08] <robbat2> if the primary servers @ OSL failed today; brand new replacement would cost >$40k +[21:22:28] <dilfridge> ack +[21:22:35] <robbat2> i think we are almost out of their warranty period +[21:22:37] <ulm> I'm not concerned about reducing cash reserves at this point +[21:23:09] <dilfridge> so while it's not of immediate urgency, increasing income would be useful +[21:23:20] <robbat2> we could sustain two such replacements with current funds +[21:23:21] <ulm> (which isn't really what's happening then the negative amount is due to depreciation) +[21:23:29] <robbat2> we do need to increase income, but it needs to go into the SPI +[21:23:49] <dilfridge> this is why I said, bad moment to go sponsor hunting +[21:24:07] <robbat2> in-kind sponsors; good time; in-cash bad time +[21:24:52] <robbat2> any further questions about the Financial KPI portion, since we are just discussing that? including from the floor +[21:25:10] -*- dilfridge looks down at the floor and sees some suswatari +[21:26:00] <robbat2> only catbus.sparc is powered by coal given the power it draws ;-) +[21:26:00] <soap> sorry here now +[21:26:25] <robbat2> hi soap +[21:26:37] <robbat2> moving on from the Financial KPIs, to the SPI transition +[21:27:17] <robbat2> SPI's treasurer has been very slow in turnarounds; and these have just been questions about changing the paypal donation setup so far +[21:27:38] <robbat2> i have offered direct help, e.g. via screensharing to demonstrate to them how to do it, but been deferred +[21:27:58] <robbat2> this may draw out the transition process :-( +[21:28:25] <ulm> keep nagging them +[21:28:40] <robbat2> when it comes to actually closing the bank accounts, we're going to need to get some of the current bank account signatories into a branch it seems +[21:28:51] <robbat2> due to KYC requirements and the age of our accounts +[21:29:19] <robbat2> likely antarus, prometheanfire, dabbott together +[21:29:49] <dilfridge> all US? +[21:29:53] <robbat2> correct +[21:30:43] <robbat2> as the current treasurer, I might also have to attend, but i'm still north america +[21:31:08] <prometheanfire> we'll cross that bridge when needed +[21:31:10] <dilfridge> well, so far the border is still open :) +[21:31:39] <robbat2> any questions about the SPI transition financial steps? +[21:32:29] <dilfridge> not from me atm +[21:33:36] <soap> nope +[21:33:53] <robbat2> motion to accept the treasurer's report: please vote with aye/nay/abstain +[21:33:58] <prometheanfire> aye +[21:34:04] <robbat2> abstain (as author) +[21:34:07] <soap> yes +[21:34:12] -*- dilfridge yes +[21:34:21] -*- ulm yes +[21:34:40] <robbat2> motion passes; 4 aye; 0 nay; 1 abstain +[21:35:11] <robbat2> last item of old business is the new officers +[21:35:41] <robbat2> to fill legal requirements, we require a US natural person to fill either the president or secretary role +[21:36:00] <dilfridge> phew +[21:36:04] <prometheanfire> lol +[21:36:05] <robbat2> that has to be prometheanfire +[21:36:17] <prometheanfire> ya, legal from spi? +[21:36:23] <prometheanfire> or AZ? +[21:36:28] <prometheanfire> s/AZ/NM +[21:36:28] <dilfridge> NM, I guess +[21:36:28] <robbat2> new mexico +[21:37:11] <prometheanfire> well, time wise I can do secretary, kid is growing so it's a little easier now +[21:37:11] <robbat2> specifically, the person who signs the required regulatory filing must be a US person AND hold one of those roles +[21:37:42] <robbat2> i wish to continue as treasurer, but I don't care either way about the president's role +[21:38:15] <prometheanfire> soap, ulm, dilfridge: president? +[21:38:19] <dilfridge> ulm for president +[21:38:41] <soap> ++ +[21:38:45] <robbat2> i don't know if ulm has his own filing requirements if he does that +[21:38:53] <dilfridge> nah, he did that already +[21:39:07] <robbat2> rather: do they need updating to move from trustee to also being president? +[21:39:08] <ulm> only for board of directors +[21:39:27] <ulm> presumably would need updating +[21:39:53] <ulm> also, what problem would it solve? we need an US citizen as one of the officers +[21:40:10] <robbat2> prometheanfire is willing to be the secretary +[21:40:11] <prometheanfire> I already said I'd do secretary +[21:40:27] <robbat2> ulm: if you're willing to accept president; i'll start a motion for that seat +[21:40:42] <ulm> sorry, not at this time +[21:41:22] <dilfridge> robbat2: what's the additional ... thing? +[21:41:31] <dilfridge> (president vs board member) +[21:41:51] <prometheanfire> running meetings iirc +[21:42:19] <dilfridge> ((apart from the secret service escort and continous trouble with the area 51 reports I mean)) +[21:42:24] <robbat2> run meetings; be the signatory for acts of foundation interacting with other stuff, e.g. if we had a yubikey deal +[21:42:51] <dilfridge> I can do it, and need as far as I know no further formal approvals / acts +[21:43:41] -*- ulm is currently president and treasurer of the e.V. so it would be a little too much +[21:43:48] <robbat2> motion: dilfridge as president of the Gentoo Foundation for the FY2025 term; vote aye/nay/abstain +[21:44:00] -*- dilfridge abstain +[21:44:04] <robbat2> aye +[21:44:05] -*- ulm yes +[21:44:32] <prometheanfire> aye +[21:44:35] <soap> yes +[21:44:55] <robbat2> motion passes; dilfridge as president of the Gentoo Foundation for the FY2025 term;; 4 aye; 0 nay; 1 abstain +[21:44:58] -*- dilfridge hears a Mariachi band somewhere in the background +[21:45:06] -*- robbat2 hands over the gavel to dilfridge +[21:45:11] <dilfridge> uh +[21:45:12] <dilfridge> ok +[21:45:17] <ulm> :) +[21:45:36] <robbat2> anybody else interested in the seat of treasurer? +[21:45:51] <dilfridge> imho changing that now makes no sense +[21:45:59] <robbat2> changing which? +[21:46:03] <dilfridge> treasurer +[21:46:22] <robbat2> i agree, but if anybody else wants it we discuss it +[21:46:36] <robbat2> i don't expect any challengers +[21:47:05] <dilfridge> sorry you're stuck with it, let's see it as encouragement to dissolve soon :) +[21:47:09] <robbat2> dilfridge; do you want to take over with the motions now, or I can handle them for the rest of the meeting? +[21:47:22] <dilfridge> please handle them, since I have no clue of the agenda +[21:47:46] <robbat2> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Meetings/2024/08 has the agenda ;-) +[21:48:02] <robbat2> motion: robbat2 as treasurer of the Gentoo Foundation for FY2025 term; please vote aye/nay/abstain +[21:48:05] <robbat2> abstain +[21:48:08] -*- dilfridge yes +[21:48:12] -*- ulm yes +[21:48:26] <prometheanfire> aye +[21:48:47] <soap> yes +[21:48:49] <robbat2> motion passes: robbat2 as treasurer of the Gentoo Foundation for FY2025 term; 4 aye; 0 nay; 1 abstain +[21:48:57] <robbat2> last one +[21:49:10] <robbat2> motion: prometheanfire as secretary of the Gentoo Foundation for FY2025 term; please vote aye/nay/abstain +[21:49:14] <robbat2> aye +[21:49:20] <prometheanfire> abstain +[21:49:28] -*- ulm yes +[21:49:39] -*- dilfridge yes +[21:49:59] <soap> yes +[21:50:00] <robbat2> motion passes: prometheanfire as secretary of the Gentoo Foundation for FY2025 term; 4 aye; 0 nay; 1 abstain +[21:50:14] <robbat2> that concludes our mandatory officers +[21:51:02] <robbat2> per bylaw 6.2. Duties; we do have other seats available, including to members +[21:51:09] <robbat2> if there is any interest +[21:51:48] <robbat2> must be trustees: chair, vice-chair ; open to members: vice president, assistant secretary, assistant treasurer +[21:52:13] <robbat2> but I feel with no member attendance, we can move on unless there is other interest in those seats +[21:52:28] <ulm> let's keep things simple +[21:52:38] <robbat2> moving on +[21:52:39] <prometheanfire> agreed +[21:52:41] <dilfridge> less people to lay off later on +[21:52:57] <robbat2> community items, infra update: we have no written submissions +[21:53:22] <robbat2> that's on me for the infra update, and I've been pretty busy with work and the gentoo finances +[21:53:42] <robbat2> treasurer update: was included in the letter from the treasurer +[21:53:48] <robbat2> any questions about those 3 agenda items? +[21:53:51] <dilfridge> no +[21:53:57] <ulm> no +[21:54:05] <prometheanfire> no +[21:54:23] <robbat2> open trustee bugs: https://bugs.gentoo.org/buglist.cgi?bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=CONFIRMED&bug_status=IN_PROGRESS&bug_status=VERIFIED&email2=trustees&emailassigned_to2=1&emailcc2=1&emailreporter2=1&emailtype2=substring&known_name=TrusteesOpenBugs&list_id=3290194&order=Last%20Changed&query_based_on=TrusteesOpenBugs&query_format=advanced&resolution=--- +[21:54:52] <robbat2> there's a lot in here that is not actionable +[21:54:57] <ulm> bug 936517 can be closed, I suppose? +[21:54:58] <willikins> https://bugs.gentoo.org/936517 "Social Contract update"; Gentoo Foundation, Licenses; IN_P; ulm:trustees +[21:55:45] <robbat2> yes; bug 936517 can be closed +[21:55:45] <willikins> robbat2: https://bugs.gentoo.org/936517 "Social Contract update"; Gentoo Foundation, Licenses; IN_P; ulm:trustees +[21:55:49] <dilfridge> bug 695360 is obsolete +[21:55:54] <dilfridge> (funtoo) +[21:56:23] <robbat2> agreed +[21:56:40] <robbat2> ulm had wanted to raise 676322 again +[21:56:43] <dilfridge> i hope these nitrokey bills from 2019 are paid :D +[21:56:48] <robbat2> Update the member quorum number to 1/10th of members; the default in NM statute +[21:57:47] <prometheanfire> I'm fine with either of the proposed values (10-15%) +[21:57:50] <ulm> yes please +[21:58:29] <robbat2> in terms of process since this is a bylaw amendedment +[21:59:09] <robbat2> we need a motion of trustees, and then we give notice to members that it takes effect at least 15 days in the future from the notice +[21:59:44] <robbat2> dilfridge, soap: do you have any questions about this before we put it to a motion? +[21:59:51] <robbat2> ulm: pick a one value, 10 or 15% +[21:59:57] <soap> no +[21:59:58] <dilfridge> no questions, fine with both values +[22:00:11] <ulm> let's go for 15% then +[22:00:46] <robbat2> ulm's point in the bug is salient: 10% is the new mexico default law; and 15% is what the Gentoo e.v. has today +[22:00:47] <prometheanfire> keeps things the same between ev and us +[22:01:02] <ulm> would be 9 out of 56 members currently +[22:01:18] <ulm> 10% would be 6, obviously +[22:01:46] <ulm> that's just trustees plus 1 member, which doesn't feel right +[22:02:21] <robbat2> somewhere in the underlying statutes, in such a vote the trustees would abstain +[22:02:32] <ulm> ah +[22:02:35] <robbat2> so it's really 5+9 or 5+6 +[22:02:41] <ulm> then I propose 10 % +[22:02:56] <dilfridge> yes please +[22:03:17] <prometheanfire> wfm +[22:03:45] <ulm> it's also the NM default (or at least it was when I last checked) +[22:04:47] <robbat2> in terms of the notification requirement, when should we set it? I'd like at the start of a business quarter +[22:05:10] <ulm> that would be 2024-10-01? +[22:05:17] <robbat2> that means either 2024/10/01 or 2025/01/01 +[22:05:33] <robbat2> 2025 makes it nice and round if you like that sort of thing +[22:05:36] <ulm> wfm +[22:05:58] <robbat2> so at a glance, we could say quorum starting in 2025 is 10% +[22:06:06] <prometheanfire> yep +[22:06:44] <robbat2> (one sec, drafting the motion text) +[22:07:59] <robbat2> motion: update bylaw 3.9 member quorum, replace "one-third (1/3)" with "one-tenth (1/10)"; this amended will take effect as of 2025/01/01; vote aye/nay/abstain +[22:08:08] <robbat2> *this amendment +[22:08:32] -*- ulm yes +[22:08:35] <prometheanfire> aye +[22:08:35] <robbat2> aye +[22:09:40] -*- dilfridge yes +[22:10:00] <robbat2> soap: vote please +[22:12:47] <robbat2> motion passes: update bylaw 3.9 member quorum, replace "one-third (1/3)" with "one-tenth (1/10)"; this amendment will take effect as of 2025/01/01; vote: 4 aye; 0 nay; 0 abstain; 1 absent +[22:13:09] <robbat2> i'll go around the table for other critical bugs +[22:13:24] <robbat2> ulm: specific bugs you feel should be addressed in this meeting? +[22:13:53] <ulm> what's the roadmap for bug 936213? +[22:14:10] <ulm> (transfer of trademarks to SPI) +[22:14:28] <robbat2> 936213 is copyrights, 936212 is trademarks +[22:14:48] <ulm> right, 212 is the one I meant +[22:15:27] <robbat2> trademarks: i'd like to consult with a trademark lawyer specifically to ask if there's a meaningful action to transfer & renew both in a single step +[22:15:38] <ulm> (also, must the bug be confidential?) +[22:15:45] <robbat2> i'm going to reach to rl03 in that regard +[22:16:15] <ulm> that's Renat Lumpau? +[22:16:20] <robbat2> correct +[22:16:52] <robbat2> as one of the foundation alumni, and one of the few practicing lawyers amongst gentoo's alumni ranks +[22:17:18] <ulm> sounds good +[22:17:38] <robbat2> copyright: i think we also need to formulate a question for legal advice +[22:18:14] <robbat2> i feel I have a good handle on understanding the trademark paperwork, but not gaps in transfering copyright +[22:19:15] <robbat2> specifically, did the release return the copyrights to the original holders, or to the gentoo foundation +[22:19:39] <dilfridge> which release +[22:19:51] <robbat2> https://936213.bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=897845&t=g13rHRecb3 +[22:20:24] <dilfridge> afaics that doesnt return or transfer anything +[22:20:36] <dilfridge> what is done remains done +[22:20:41] <ulm> that's only a release "from any future duties and obligations" +[22:21:08] <ulm> but IANAL +[22:21:38] <soap> robbat2: yes +[22:21:42] <robbat2> yeah; IANAL and this needs to be sorted out correctly +[22:22:07] <robbat2> anyway, rl03 has said in the past that complex questions about copyright were not in his wheelhouse +[22:22:11] <robbat2> so we'll need to find somebody else +[22:22:30] <ulm> there haven't been many transfer forms anyway, and these were in the remote past +[22:23:19] <ulm> last time I checked the gentoo repo for something where the foundation would have a clear copyright claim, I had a hard time +[22:23:33] <robbat2> agreed; it's messy data +[22:23:47] <ulm> there was one eclass IIRC (subversion.eclass?) +[22:24:22] <ulm> all the ebuilds have been massively rewritten since 2004 +[22:24:46] <robbat2> sorry I can't provide more detailed answers on that bug +[22:24:50] <robbat2> does that cover enough +[22:24:57] <robbat2> to move on in this meeting? +[22:25:02] <ulm> it might be different for some of the artwork though +[22:25:19] <robbat2> specifically, ulm, last call for other bugs that you need to discuss here criticaly +[22:25:19] <ulm> yes, move on +[22:25:30] <robbat2> dilfridge: same question; do you have bugs that you need to discuss here critically +[22:25:38] <dilfridge> no +[22:25:57] <robbat2> soap, prometheanfire: same question; do you have bugs that you need to discuss here critically +[22:26:12] <prometheanfire> no +[22:26:29] <soap> nope +[22:27:42] <robbat2> thanks; moving on +[22:27:46] <robbat2> activity tracker +[22:28:13] <robbat2> prometheanfire: I did not find a reimbursement request for last year's filing of the Annual Report +[22:28:43] <prometheanfire> you won't find it +[22:29:01] <prometheanfire> consider it an in kind donation I think? +[22:29:06] <prometheanfire> or something +[22:29:23] <robbat2> thank you; i'll record it, as recognizing expenses +[22:29:57] <robbat2> the tax forms will be sorted by the CPA in the next weeks I hope +[22:30:05] <robbat2> deadline for those is 2024/Nov/15 +[22:30:46] <robbat2> any other questions about activity tracker items? +[22:30:52] <robbat2> list is at https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Activity_Tracker +[22:31:08] <robbat2> prometheanfire: when you do next file the annual report, please include a copy in the foundation repo +[22:31:23] <prometheanfire> ack, I'll make a reminder for myself +[22:31:51] <robbat2> the 2023 copy is present +[22:32:26] <robbat2> new business +[22:32:49] <robbat2> i don't recall if we already pruned the membership list +[22:32:52] <robbat2> i think so, but need to verify +[22:33:27] <robbat2> new business from other trustees? ulm, prometheanfire, soap, dilfridge +[22:33:31] <ulm> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Member_List was last updated in May +[22:33:39] <dilfridge> not here +[22:33:39] <ulm> so probably no pruning +[22:33:43] <soap> nope +[22:33:56] <ulm> no new business from my side +[22:33:58] <prometheanfire> nope +[22:34:34] <robbat2> no new business +[22:34:50] <robbat2> cleanup phase; responsibilities +[22:35:02] <robbat2> log: ulm/dilfridge already accepted +[22:35:05] <robbat2> i'll do the motions +[22:35:18] <robbat2> i'm doing the email to rl03; i don't think there are others +[22:35:53] <robbat2> agenda: we'd need to set the next meeting first +[22:35:59] <robbat2> channel topic; ditto +[22:36:26] <robbat2> dilfridge: as you are the new president; i'd like some direction from you about setting the new meeting schedule +[22:36:38] <dilfridge> we do meetings? +[22:36:52] <dilfridge> but seriously, more than every 2 months makes no sense +[22:37:01] <robbat2> other than the AGM, none are required +[22:37:36] <dilfridge> let's do one before christmas, with gingerbread and glühwein, but until then I see no big need +[22:37:42] <prometheanfire> we can decide later on if we need a meeting, somewhat hd-hoc +[22:37:50] <ulm> let's do them when there are actual items +[22:37:50] <prometheanfire> s/hd-hoc/ad-hoc +[22:38:09] <robbat2> i thought dilfridge was going to ship some glühwein ;-) +[22:38:15] <dilfridge> hehe +[22:38:16] <ulm> also, immediately after a council meeting seems like a good time +[22:38:23] <dilfridge> yes that is a good point +[22:39:07] <robbat2> we implicitly have a trustee quorum at council meetings unless 2 of us have proxies/absent +[22:39:46] <dilfridge> trustee quorum might also be doable at fosdem :D +[22:40:11] <robbat2> hey, no expensing dinner without treasurer oversight ;-) +[22:40:18] <dilfridge> hehe +[22:40:40] <dilfridge> also, xyz got retired +[22:41:00] <prometheanfire> that was quick +[22:41:19] <robbat2> the Foundation has covered meals twice in it's history; a group of developers, and a small group of OSUOSL students that also had a few devs in it +[22:41:45] <robbat2> or maybe 3 times? 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