Log for 20230108 meeting

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+<@ulm> !proj council                                                    [20:00]
+<willikins> (council@gentoo.org) ajak, dilfridge, gyakovlev, mattst88, mgorny,
+            sam, ulm
+<@ulm> agenda is here:
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-project/message/a24e9a4d7c769d9e09f5dc2312ee9452
+<@ulm> roll call
+* mattst88 here
+* dionysos here
+* mgorny here
+*** dionysos (~quassel@gentoo/developer/dilfridge) is now known as dilfridge
+* dilfridge here
+* ajak here
+<@ajak> sam_:                                                           [20:01]
+<@ulm> gyakovlev: sam_:
+* ulm here
+<@ulm> let's wait until 19:05                                           [20:02]
+<@dilfridge> happy new year everyone, let it have less unpleasant surprises
+             than the last one
+<@ulm> I expect this to be a short meeting anyway
+* mattst88 is going to remember to try to avoid chairing Nov/Dec meetings in
+  the future :P                                                         [20:03]
+* dilfridge  is going to remember to try to avoid chairing 
+<@ajak> lol
+<@ulm> so, 5 council members are present, so we have a quorum           [20:05]
+<@ulm> let's proceed
+<@ulm> open bugs
+<@ulm> there's only one public bug
+<@ulm> bug 729062
+<willikins> ulm: https://bugs.gentoo.org/729062 "Services and Software which
+            is critical for Gentoo should be developed/run in the Gentoo
+            namespace"; Gentoo Council, unspecified; IN_P; jstein:council
+<@ulm> any progress there?                                              [20:06]
+<@ajak> i'd say we should reassign it elsewhere but not sure if there's
+        anywhere better to assign it
+<@mattst88> don't think so
+<@ajak> but, nothing for us to do now anyway
+<@mattst88> I think we should definitely unassign it
+<@ulm> I'm going to ping jstein about what to do there
+<@ulm> there's two private bugs, but I don't think there's progress for these
+       either                                                           [20:07]
+<@ulm> so, proceed to open floor?
+<@ajak> but isn't there glep76 movement?
+<@ulm> it's not on the agenda                                           [20:08]
+<@ajak>
+        https://gitweb.gentoo.org/data/glep.git/commit/?h=glep76&id=f8c192768983929e0d028d58e32e3e6e9b4d8458
+        was approved last time
+<@ajak> it's relevant to one of the private bugs
+<@ulm> it's waiting for trustees approval
+<@ajak> ah                                                              [20:09]
+<@ulm> or at least I think that was the conclusion last time
+<@ulm> open floor
+<+arthurzam> I'm sorry, but I still see missing summaries in
+             https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council/Meeting_logs
+<@ulm> I've one item                                                    [20:10]
+<@ulm> arthurzam: can you file a bug, or shall I?
+<+arthurzam> ulm: better you, as I'm very tired
+<@ajak> i don't think that's necessary, matt's written them and sent them for
+        review to coucnil@
+<@ajak> council@*
+<@dilfridge> 2022 in retrospect is under construction                   [20:11]
+<@ajak> so just waiting for a push i guess?
+<@ulm> ah, right :)
+<+arthurzam> ok, thank you :)
+<@ulm>
+       https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-pms/message/3f70244e989c0e1f2fe7759f85bc06a5
+<@ajak> mattst88: please push nov/dec meeting summaries
+<@ulm> this is a clarification for variable scope of D                  [20:12]
+<@ulm> and ED
+<@ulm> basically, we'd update PMS to follow portage there
+<@dilfridge> thanks
+<+arthurzam> (pkgcore & pkgcheck are simple to update to match, so not a
+             blocker)
+<@ulm> just wanting to make the council aware of it
+<@mgorny> i can't say i like it                                         [20:13]
+<@mgorny> but that's probably something to be discussed on #-pms
+<@mgorny> (sorry, didn't have time earlier)                             [20:14]
+<@ulm> mgorny: it's a restriction that belongs in tree policy, not something
+       to be enforced by the PM
+<@ulm> so, do I push this, or do we vote on it in the next meeting?
+<@mgorny> i'm not council-blocking it but please give it some more thought
+          after hearing me out ;-)                                      [20:15]
+<@mgorny> because i feel like we're addressing the wrong problem here
+<@ulm> well, either we update PMS, or we have portage enforce current PMS
+       wording
+<@ulm> which will make all hell break loose
+<@mattst88> ajak: I pushed the summaries a bit before the meeting
+<@ajak> oh thanks                                                       [20:16]
+<@ajak> in that case i'll update the page
+<@mgorny> ulm: we can also choose the hard way, and make portage qawarn people
+          into using D properly
+<@mgorny> with minimal direct fallout                                   [20:17]
+<@ajak> ah nevermind, you just did it :)
+<@mgorny> ulm: ah, sorry, i've just reread the patch
+<@mgorny> you're saying ebuilds are not allowed to put files there before
+          src_install, so i'm fine with the change as-is                [20:18]
+<@ulm> anyway, I suggest we discuss the PMS change on mailing lists if
+       necessary
+<@ulm> since we won't have much progress here
+<@ulm> anything else for open floor?                                    [20:19]
+* ulm bangs the gavel                                                   [20:20]
+<@ulm> meeting closed
+<@mgorny> thanks!
+<@ajak> thanks!
+<@ulm> thanks everybody
+<@dilfridge> thanks
+*** ulm (~ulm@gentoo/developer/ulm) has set the topic for #gentoo-council:
+    "234th meeting: 2023-02-12 19:00 UTC |
+    https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=20230212T19 |
+    https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Council |
+    https://dev.gentoo.org/~dilfridge/decisions.pdf"
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