--- Log opened Sun Mar 05 11:01:12 2006 (UTC -0700)
05 Mar 11:09:20< lares> so shall we begin?
05 Mar 11:09:37< lares> rl03: Stuart:  pingaling
05 Mar 11:10:23 < CHTEKK> ahhh right
05 Mar 11:10:33 < CHTEKK> totally forgot :P I definitely wasn't here for that
05 Mar 11:10:42 < wrobel> :)
05 Mar 11:10:52 < lares> lol.
05 Mar 11:11:07 < lares> well you are here now, so you might as well stay 
05 Mar 11:11:22 < lares> First Sun of every month, 1800UTC
05 Mar 11:11:35 < Stuart> 1900UTC I thought?
05 Mar 11:11:49 < wrobel> Stuart: no, the webpage says 18:00
05 Mar 11:11:52 < Stuart> ah
05 Mar 11:11:52 < lares> not according to the wiki
05 Mar 11:11:57 < Stuart> well, sorry I'm late then
05 Mar 11:11:59 < wrobel> but tbh honest I just checked myself
05 Mar 11:12:01 < CHTEKK> and the PHP one is in two days... oh dear, won't be there, don't know when (and IF :P) I return from a school trip and when I do I have to study for an exam on wednesday :)
05 Mar 11:12:05 < wrobel> also thought 19:00 ;)
05 Mar 11:12:11 < CHTEKK> Stuart, ours are 19 UTC
05 Mar 11:12:12 < Stuart> rl03 won't be here - he's working
05 Mar 11:12:21 < lares> oh
05 Mar 11:12:26 < CHTEKK> webapps are 18 UTC
05 Mar 11:12:29 < Stuart> ok, let's get started?
05 Mar 11:12:31 < lares> well then lets begin
05 Mar 11:12:35 < wrobel> sure :)
05 Mar 11:12:36 < lares> I'm logging 
05 Mar 11:12:37 < Stuart> is someone logging this?
05 Mar 11:12:40 < Stuart> lol
05 Mar 11:12:42  * CHTEKK always
05 Mar 11:12:42 < lares> :)
05 Mar 11:12:58 < Stuart> ok, first item is time of next meeting :)
05 Mar 11:13:13 < lares> Same...
05 Mar 11:13:16 < Stuart> 1800 UTC on sun 2nd april ok?
05 Mar 11:13:17 < wrobel> looks like every two months would be sufficient
05 Mar 11:13:32 < Stuart> Im happy to go every two months
05 Mar 11:13:46 < CHTEKK> no objections from me
05 Mar 11:14:04 < wrobel> ok, then let's change that :)
05 Mar 11:14:06 < lares> I think we should keep it every month, and if there is no new business posted then we can just 'skip'
05 Mar 11:14:24 < Stuart> you guys discuss amongst yourselves whilst I create the minutes on the wiki
05 Mar 11:14:35 < lares> the consistency will make it easier to coordinate
05 Mar 11:14:43 < wrobel> hm the number of posts we had so far was rather low :)
05 Mar 11:14:50 < lares> Yeah.
05 Mar 11:15:09  * lares adds an item .
05 Mar 11:15:13 < wrobel> :)
05 Mar 11:15:51 < Stuart> is there a concensus?
05 Mar 11:16:06 < wrobel> I'd still go for every second month.
05 Mar 11:16:34 < lares> I say monthly, but I can live with dimonthly
05 Mar 11:16:39  * CHTEKK agrees with wrobel
05 Mar 11:16:45 < wrobel> I could send out a mail two weeks before as a reminder to post stuff
05 Mar 11:16:46 < Stuart> bi-monthly means twice a month :)
05 Mar 11:17:24 < lares> Stuart: di-monthly not bi-monthly
05 Mar 11:17:32 < Stuart> :P
05 Mar 11:17:39 < lares> di -- means two
05 Mar 11:17:59 < lares> wrobel: good Idea.
05 Mar 11:18:21 < wrobel> I think then we have a little preparation time and two months is still pretty regular
05 Mar 11:18:34 < lares> I'm good with that.
05 Mar 11:18:39 < lares> next++?
05 Mar 11:18:45 < Stuart> next++
05 Mar 11:19:11 < Stuart> so - the next meeting will be first Sunday of May?
05 Mar 11:19:35 < wrobel> 07.05.2006
05 Mar 11:19:37 < wrobel> k
05 Mar 11:19:38 < lares> First Sun of odd months, at 1800UTC
05 Mar 11:19:49 < Stuart> ok, sounds good
05 Mar 11:19:52 < CHTEKK> k
05 Mar 11:19:52 < Stuart> next!
05 Mar 11:20:03 < wrobel> I have only one thing :)
05 Mar 11:20:16 < wrobel> pressuring stuart to add the trac macro :)
05 Mar 11:20:24 < Stuart> lol
05 Mar 11:20:35 < Stuart> wrobel: where can I get a copy from?
05 Mar 11:20:38 < lares> and a commit ML? 
05 Mar 11:20:56 < wrobel> sec
05 Mar 11:21:11 < wrobel> http://projects.gunnarwrobel.de/scripts/wiki/TracMacros
05 Mar 11:21:52 < Stuart> ok, I'll take actions to add that, and to setup the commit list
05 Mar 11:22:08 < lares> great.
05 Mar 11:22:13 < wrobel> thanks :)
05 Mar 11:22:28 < Stuart> I'll do those after my take-out has arrived
05 Mar 11:22:36 < lares> anyone have anything to say about 2,3,4?
05 Mar 11:23:10 < Stuart> 2. has been done (rl03 has apologised in advance)
05 Mar 11:23:21 < Stuart> 3. ... I haven't seen any minutes from the last meeting
05 Mar 11:23:25 < Stuart> could someone post some please?
05 Mar 11:23:43 < lares> Umm  IIRC there wasn't really a meeting.
05 Mar 11:24:09 < CHTEKK> yeah it basically went like "anyone got anything to say? not really... all is good and we're working as always"
05 Mar 11:24:15 < lares> it was a "hi", 'Yo'.  "anything", 'nope' between two people.
05 Mar 11:24:23 < Stuart> ok
05 Mar 11:24:29 < wrobel> yes we only agreed on the status thing that was a leftover from the meeting before
05 Mar 11:24:30 < Stuart> then we'll record it as having not happened?
05 Mar 11:24:37 < wrobel> yup
05 Mar 11:24:40 < Stuart> ok
05 Mar 11:24:55 < Stuart> next on the list is outstanding actions then
05 Mar 11:24:56  * Stuart hides
05 Mar 11:25:08 < wrobel> :)
05 Mar 11:25:52 < Stuart> I've posted some discussion on the bug about virtual/http
05 Mar 11:26:01 < Stuart> nothing's really been decided tho
05 Mar 11:26:02 < lares> Item 1.  we should add our upstream contact info to Overlay.  I'll do mine later toady
05 Mar 11:26:45 < Stuart> so we're putting it into the overlay instead of into metadata.xml?
05 Mar 11:27:02 < CHTEKK> I'd be for metadata.xml
05 Mar 11:27:18 < wrobel> if somehow possible that'd be also my choice
05 Mar 11:27:32 < wrobel> but as far as I understood it, it's not yet possible?
05 Mar 11:27:37 < CHTEKK> and then maybe write some mini-tool that parses that, like "parser security joomla" --> output: security@joomla.org or whatever
05 Mar 11:27:40 < lares> as per disscussion last time.  we should use a txt file till GLEP46 is smoothed out.
05 Mar 11:28:03 < CHTEKK> hmmm if we put stuff in metadata.xml, does it break in any way Portage?
05 Mar 11:28:17 < CHTEKK> the portage cache afaik doesn't use metadata.xml
05 Mar 11:28:28 < CHTEKK> since a lot of packages don't even have metadata.xml
05 Mar 11:28:30 < Stuart> that's why we need to do it using GLEP46
05 Mar 11:28:34 < lares> might it break herdstat?
05 Mar 11:28:45 < Stuart> the implementors of GLEP46 have to ensure its acceptance
05 Mar 11:29:08 < Stuart> food is here
05 Mar 11:29:12 < wrobel> :)
05 Mar 11:29:30 < lares> then back to txt file for now, till GLEP46 is nice-nice
05 Mar 11:29:43 < wrobel> I'd suggest we wait for GLEP46 then. The list rl03 put together on the dev-wiki is ok for now
05 Mar 11:30:21 < wrobel> concerning the overlay we could add such information into the trac.BAK file once the macro is available
05 Mar 11:30:47 < lares> I'd like ot have the upstream info in overlay, so it's all in one place
05 Mar 11:30:52 < Stuart> could someone else take over adding the minutes please?
05 Mar 11:31:00 < Stuart> my take-out has just arrived early
05 Mar 11:31:38 < lares> I'll take over
05 Mar 11:31:41 < Stuart> ta
05 Mar 11:31:49 < wrobel> thanks, I'm on command line here :)
05 Mar 11:32:11 < Stuart> I'm happy with what you guys decide over the commit message
05 Mar 11:32:25 < Stuart> (which is the only item on the agenda I believe)
05 Mar 11:32:38 < lares> I Have a little sample on the page.
05 Mar 11:33:10 < lares> Exceptions for digest files and eChanglog files.
05 Mar 11:33:43 < lares> other then that,  add the commit message as outlined by svn.
05 Mar 11:34:10 < lares> I'll draft up a 'full' policy and we'll go from there.
05 Mar 11:34:43 < wrobel> lares: that would be nice.
05 Mar 11:34:57 < wrobel> should be short and not too complex :)
05 Mar 11:35:15 < lares> not complex.
05 Mar 11:35:31 < lares> just a simple format that is easy to read.
05 Mar 11:35:38 < lares> as posted.
05 Mar 11:36:28 < lares> any suggesstions/objections?
05 Mar 11:36:38 < lares> spell_on(lares)
05 Mar 11:36:54 < wrobel> the filenames are in the commit anyhow so why add them again?
05 Mar 11:37:33 < lares> cause when you are looking at the log, it doesn't say anything about the files.
05 Mar 11:39:03 < wrobel> just checked that my emacs automatizes this. it does, so it's fine with me ;)
05 Mar 11:39:12 < lares> look at log -r 123
05 Mar 11:39:22 < lares> its rather ambiguous.
05 Mar 11:39:35 < lares> lol
05 Mar 11:39:39 < lares> lazyness :)
05 Mar 11:40:28 < lares> when you add your ci msg, the files are listed for you already, so it's a simple copy-paste operation.
05 Mar 11:41:02 < wrobel> ok, so I think we agreed
05 Mar 11:41:42 < lares> Anythin else?
05 Mar 11:41:47 < lares> anyone?
05 Mar 11:41:58 < wrobel> Stuart: should we discuss webapp-cleaner?
05 Mar 11:43:27 < lares> News to me
05 Mar 11:44:14 < wrobel> lares: related to the ciaranm disaster this week ;)
05 Mar 11:44:22 < wrobel> did you read the -dev ML?
05 Mar 11:44:49 < lares> It must have got lost in the QA disscussion !
05 Mar 11:44:57 < wrobel> it was part of that :)
05 Mar 11:45:01 < lares> I'll read today
05 Mar 11:45:08 < lares> ah
05 Mar 11:45:20 < lares> I'll read today
05 Mar 11:45:26 < wrobel> a w-c thread developed out of the QA stuff and we got two bugs in the process
05 Mar 11:45:38 < wrobel> webapp-cleaner was a suggested solution to one bug
05 Mar 11:46:01 < lares> I'll read it over,
05 Mar 11:46:20 < lares> Bring it over to the vhost-tools ML?
05 Mar 11:47:11 < wrobel> no the solution did not seem to be very complex
05 Mar 11:47:35 < lares> I'm behind on this issue.
05 Mar 11:47:51 < lares> If it's not complex, go ahead and do it.
05 Mar 11:48:21 < wrobel> stuart wanted to do it so I just wanted to know if that's still the plan
05 Mar 11:48:43 < wrobel> but I guess other than that we can conclude the meeting, can we?
05 Mar 11:48:50 < lares> Yeah...
05 Mar 11:48:58 < wrobel> ok, great :)
05 Mar 11:49:08 < lares> I'll 'park' the webapp-cleaner then.
05 Mar 11:49:22 < wrobel> :)
05 Mar 11:49:27 < lares> and point to the two of you :)
--- Log closed Sun Mar 05 11:51:30 2006